Mage: hybrid idea remains unverified
Corgideus captions: recorded Arcane Blast/Frostfire Bolt combination as an open build idea. No rank values imported.
Selected captions ↗CLASSIC FOREVER · TALENT WORKSHOP
Plan your path.
Nine classes. 27 talent trees. Left-click to add a point, right-click to remove it.
51Talent points remaining
0 spent · 51 total · Level 60
Rogue0 / 0 / 0Class, level, Legacy rank and talent order in one link.
Your leveling path No points assigned yet
Rogue · Point by point
Your order from level 10, one point per level up to 51. After removing points, dependent steps move later if needed. This is your plan, not a recommended build.
Choose your first talent in the tree to start your leveling path.
Your plan uses the current Forever dataset and selected Talented Legacy rank. Older links are matched by talent name and loaded only if still valid under current rules; otherwise they are rejected as outdated.
October 30 data · comparison across all nine classes
464 talents from Wowhead’s public Forever calculator, compared with wowtbc.gg and other Forever calculators. Differences remain visible on each talent. This records the source snapshot, not verification of every value in the release client.
Without a bonus: one point per level from 10, at most 51. Talented Legacy ranks 1–5 shift the starting level to 9–5; the cap remains 51. Other Legacy and profession trees are not included. Talent names and effects retain their English source text. Old build links load only when talents map unambiguously and the resulting build remains valid.
| Class | Talents | Structural differences |
|---|---|---|
| Warrior | 52 | 0 |
| Paladin | 50 | 0 |
| Hunter | 50 | 0 |
| Rogue | 53 | 0 |
| Priest | 52 | 0 |
| Shaman | 50 | 0 |
| Mage | 53 | 0 |
| Warlock | 52 | 0 |
| Druid | 52 | 0 |
32 talents contain 44 unresolved rank texts. Point allocation remains available; ambiguous effect values are not presented as confirmed.
Wowhead ↗ · wowtbc.gg ↗ · WoW Forever Talents ↗ · Talents Forever ↗
Assassination17 talents
0 pointsImproved Gouge
Remorseless Attacks
Malice
Ruthlessness
Murder
Improved Slice and Dice
Relentless Strikes
Improved Expose Armor
Lethality
Vile Poisons
Cold Blood
Improved Poisons
Vigor
Mutilate
Improved Kidney Shot
Seal Fate
Venom
Combat17 talents
0 pointsImproved Eviscerate
Improved Sinister Strike
Lightning Reflexes
Puncturing Wounds
Deflection
Precision
Endurance
Riposte
Improved Sprint
Improved Kick
Flawless Execution
Dual Wield Specialization
Blade Flurry
Hack and Slash
Weapon Expertise
Aggression
Adrenaline Rush
Subtlety19 talents
0 pointsCamouflage
Master of Deception
Opportunity
Setup
Elusiveness
Dirty Tricks
Improved Ambush
Initiative
Ghostly Strike
Improved Distract
Heightened Senses
Premeditation
Serrated Blades
Dirty Deeds
Preparation
Hemorrhage
Quietus
Cutthroat
Thousand Cuts
Select a talent to see its rank text and prerequisites.
CLASS ARCHIVE · Rogue
What is new? What has changed?
Classification relative to Classic according to the community source, not since our latest update. “Changed” may include position or rank count. This is not a confirmed Blizzard patch log.
9 talents in this selection. Browsing does not change your build.
MutilateAssassination · 1 ranksReview issues
Rank 1 according to the source: Wowhead and wowtbc.gg differ for this rank or contain incomplete scaling values. No definitive numeric value is shown pending clarification.
Tier 5 · requires 20 points in lower tiers
Sources differ in rank values or contain incomplete scaling formulas.
Open source tree ↗Source provider’s evidence notes
Third-party notes, not footage fully verified by us. Filenames are not accessible evidence.
- https://www.wowhead.com/forever/talent-calc/rogue
VenomAssassination · 1 ranksReview issues
Rank 1 according to the source: Wowhead and wowtbc.gg differ for this rank or contain incomplete scaling values. No definitive numeric value is shown pending clarification.
Tier 7 · requires 30 points in lower tiers
Sources differ in rank values or contain incomplete scaling formulas.
Open source tree ↗Source provider’s evidence notes
Third-party notes, not footage fully verified by us. Filenames are not accessible evidence.
- https://www.wowhead.com/forever/talent-calc/rogue
Puncturing WoundsCombat · 3 ranksNew
Rank 1 according to the source: Increases the critical strike chance of your Backstab by 10% and your Mutilate by 5%, and gives Backstab a 15% chance to add an additional Combo Point.
Tier 2 · requires 5 points in lower tiers
Open source tree ↗Source provider’s evidence notes
Third-party notes, not footage fully verified by us. Filenames are not accessible evidence.
- https://www.wowhead.com/forever/talent-calc/rogue
Flawless ExecutionCombat · 1 ranksNew
Rank 1 according to the source: Reduces the Energy cost of your Eviscerate ability by 10.
Tier 4 · requires 15 points in lower tiers
Open source tree ↗Source provider’s evidence notes
Third-party notes, not footage fully verified by us. Filenames are not accessible evidence.
- https://www.wowhead.com/forever/talent-calc/rogue
Dirty TricksSubtlety · 2 ranksNew
Rank 1 according to the source: Reduces the Energy cost of your Sap and Blind abilities by 25%.
Tier 2 · requires 5 points in lower tiers
Open source tree ↗Source provider’s evidence notes
Third-party notes, not footage fully verified by us. Filenames are not accessible evidence.
- https://www.wowhead.com/forever/talent-calc/rogue
Improved DistractSubtlety · 2 ranksNew
Rank 1 according to the source: Increases the radius of your Distract ability by 3 yds, and further reduces the Stealth detection of distracted enemies as though they were an additional 1 levels lower.
Tier 3 · requires 10 points in lower tiers
Open source tree ↗Source provider’s evidence notes
Third-party notes, not footage fully verified by us. Filenames are not accessible evidence.
- https://www.wowhead.com/forever/talent-calc/rogue
QuietusSubtlety · 5 ranksNew
Rank 1 according to the source: Your Sinister Strike, Ghostly Strike, and Hemorrhage abilities cause 2% more damage against targets below 35% health.
Tier 6 · requires 25 points in lower tiers
Open source tree ↗Source provider’s evidence notes
Third-party notes, not footage fully verified by us. Filenames are not accessible evidence.
- https://www.wowhead.com/forever/talent-calc/rogue
CutthroatSubtlety · 5 ranksNew
Rank 1 according to the source: Your Backstab has a 3% chance to cause your next Ambush within 10 sec to not require Stealth.
Tier 6 · requires 25 points in lower tiers
Open source tree ↗Source provider’s evidence notes
Third-party notes, not footage fully verified by us. Filenames are not accessible evidence.
- https://www.wowhead.com/forever/talent-calc/rogue
Thousand CutsSubtlety · 1 ranksNew
Rank 1 according to the source: When your Rupture ability deals periodic damage, the Energy cost of your next Hemorrhage or Backstab ability within 10 sec is reduced by 3, stacking up to 5 times.
Tier 7 · requires 30 points in lower tiers
Open source tree ↗Source provider’s evidence notes
Third-party notes, not footage fully verified by us. Filenames are not accessible evidence.
- https://www.wowhead.com/forever/talent-calc/rogue
FROM TALENTS TO CLASS KNOWLEDGE
Rogue · Explore the lexicon
Known class changes, abilities and their sources. Preview observations are not final game values.
PreviewMutilate
Esfand identifies Mutilate while inspecting the Rogue talent tree.
Details & sources ↗OfficialRoguePoisons work alongside temporary weapon enchants. Sap preserves Stealth, and one-handed axes expand weapon choices.
Details & sources ↗PreviewBlind: poison effect in demo commentarySodapoppin calls Blind a poison effect following a brief duel attempt.
Details & sources ↗THE EVIDENCE CHRONICLE
New findings. Open questions.
· Chronicle updated
Chronicle updated: recent individual reviews appear alongside older findings. This date does not mean every source was rechecked. Current video review scope and class coverage appear below; actual Forever gameplay tests remain pending.
Warrior: stance and cooldowns
Recorded Esfand’s Thunder Clap and Shield Wall commentary. Recklessness not individually confirmed; an edited stream is not independent corroboration.
Selected captions ↗Druid: open interactions
MMARKERS: selected captions reviewed. Questions on other players’ bleeds, healing and mana efficiency documented as open.
Selected caption review · 15 September 2026 ↗Rogue: duel commentary assessed
Recorded Sodapoppin’s Blind commentary separately from subsequent cleansing assumptions. Not our own aura test.
Selected caption review · 15 September 2026 ↗Priest: race comparison remains open
Recorded Night Elf Devouring Plague commentary; generalization to every race is unconfirmed.
Selected caption review · 15 September 2026 ↗Shaman: wishes separated from demo claims
Selected caption passages from Esfand’s September 14 video were reviewed. Wishes remain separate from demo claims. Improved Ghost Wolf was additionally checked visually at 6:17: first point, displayed 0/2. This verifies neither the second rank nor all later tooltips.
Esfand · 6:17 · first-rank visual check ↗Guzu video: captions now reviewed
Group discussion from 47:43 describes Frost damage and control positively. This is a subjective demo impression; automatic captions do not reliably identify the speaker. The windows around 45:08 and 48:03 provide no spoken confirmation of Ghost Wolf or Totemic Projection. This neither confirms nor rules out visible tooltips.
Guzu · First Look · 13 September · automatic captions ↗New community review leads
The September 15 search found reports of corrected Shaman and Warrior details in community talent calculators. These leads are not video evidence verified by us. Existing talent values therefore remain unchanged. The Blizzard Deep Dive was rechecked as a primary source.
Community leads · 15 September 2026 ↗Deep Dive: new answers in the lexicon
New topic overview for Legacy, rulesets, Hardcore, Paladin, camping and transmog. Will of the Forsaken now reflects Blizzard’s explicit statement that it grants no subsequent immunity.
Blizzard · Forever Deep Dive ↗Talent text: 22 review cases after source updates
The comparison found updates to 76 talents, including rank-text differences in 22. These include withdrawn values, wording corrections and new claims, not 76 balance changes. Affected rank texts are hidden pending review. Talent points, prerequisites and saved builds are unchanged.
WoW Forever Talents · comparison 22:39 UTC ↗Races: 34 abilities with direct video sources
Additional review on 13 September: 31 racial descriptions read in Savix’s character-selection footage; three others marked as transcript evidence. Includes Stoneform, weapon bonuses, Eureka, Cannibalize and Rapid Regeneration. Original images and DE/EN summaries are in the race guide. Demo text is not final mechanic verification.
Forever Codex · DE / EN · racial evidence ↗Druid: five source updates, not a balance update
Compared with our import, Genesis, Feral Swiftness, King of the Jungle, Rend and Tear and Wild Growth received icon mappings and source notes. No talents were added or removed; rank texts, rank counts and prerequisites were unchanged. The notes reference WotLK icons, not a verified Forever client. Now applied as presentation-only icon mappings; our imported snapshot and all effect values remain unchanged.
WoW Forever Talents · Druid ↗Warlock: another lead on Improved Corruption
Crixxious reports six hours with the convention demo, capped at level 38. Improved Corruption reportedly reduces cast time and increases damage together. This qualitatively matches the community dataset, but does not confirm our percentages or every rank; specific tooltip footage is still needed.
Crixxious · hands-on report · 13 Sep 2026 ↗Skyborne classes: rechecked against Blizzard
Blizzard lists Warriors, Hunters, Rogues and Druids for both factions, with Shamans for the Horde and Mages for the Alliance. New druid forms and racials are announced, but the recap does not provide a complete table of effects and values. This is a recheck, not a new announcement.
Blizzard · What’s Next recap · 12 Sep 2026 ↗More research routes & verification rules
Blizzard / Blue Posts ↗
The Blue Tracker helps discover Blizzard posts. Trace claims back to the original.
Icy Veins · Forever ↗
Discover articles and corrections; a recap is not additional independent evidence.
YouTube · offizielles Panel ↗
Use transcripts to locate topics and frames to verify values: record timestamp, visible rank and demo version.
Talents Forever · Gegenprüfung ↗
Cross-check positions, ranks and prerequisites while accounting for shared source footage.
Wowhead · Forever news ↗
Current news feed reviewed in the browser; distinguish hands-on reports from official evidence.
Comments surface questions, not representative statistics. Screenshots only establish the visible rank and demo version. Datamining requires a publicly available client and build number; we have not independently verified a full Forever client. Automated source checks were stopped. This comparison was performed manually. The last documented successful review above remains authoritative.
Data imported: 2026-10-30 · Source talent tree ↗ · Game art and game text: Blizzard Entertainment. Original planner UI; not affiliated with Blizzard. Use “Share build” to save your build as a link. Without a saved link, edits are lost on reload.
BLIZZCON · CLASSES & TALENTS
Piecing together the talents.
Gameplay, panel announcements and first impressions from BlizzCon: explore the new talents and class abilities.
Talent spotlight
Vanguard · Penance · Riptide · Eclipse
Abilities and talent changes from the BlizzCon demo, with direct sources for the featured effects.
Conflicts & common mistakes
- Undead: proc chance is not healing amount.
- Hot Streak: not automatically instant Pyroblast.
- Shaman Dual Wield: Savix questions his own initial assumption.
- Same name ≠ identical Retail, SoD or TBC ability.
Featured abilities reflect the demo version. Values and talent trees may change before release.
Research by class: evidence and open checks
Counts refer to lexicon entries with explicitly recorded evidence types, not fully verified talents. An entry may contain multiple evidence types. Our own Forever-client gameplay tests remain pending for every class.
Warrior
7 entries · 1 with visual tooltip evidence · 2 with transcript evidence · 0 classified as community commentary
Latest individual review: 2026-10-30. Not complete class acceptance.
Paladin
5 entries · 0 with visual tooltip evidence · 2 with transcript evidence · 1 classified as community commentary
Latest individual review: 2026-10-30. Not complete class acceptance.
Hunter
7 entries · 1 with visual tooltip evidence · 5 with transcript evidence · 0 classified as community commentary
Latest individual review: 2026-10-30. Not complete class acceptance.
Rogue
3 entries · 0 with visual tooltip evidence · 2 with transcript evidence · 0 classified as community commentary
Latest individual review: 2026-10-30. Not complete class acceptance.
Priest
5 entries · 1 with visual tooltip evidence · 4 with transcript evidence · 0 classified as community commentary
Latest individual review: 2026-10-30. Not complete class acceptance.
Shaman
6 entries · 2 with visual tooltip evidence · 5 with transcript evidence · 0 classified as community commentary
Latest individual review: 2026-10-30. Not complete class acceptance.
Mage
5 entries · 0 with visual tooltip evidence · 4 with transcript evidence · 1 classified as community commentary
Latest individual review: 2026-10-30. Not complete class acceptance.
Warlock
4 entries · 0 with visual tooltip evidence · 4 with transcript evidence · 1 classified as community commentary
Latest individual review: 2026-10-30. Not complete class acceptance.
Druid
7 entries · 1 with visual tooltip evidence · 5 with transcript evidence · 1 classified as community commentary
Latest individual review: 2026-10-30. Not complete class acceptance.
New source reviews from September 15
Mehr SieglindeLegacy and achievement reactionFull German automatic captions read; early talents, open respec conditions and optional bonuses recorded. Reaction to Icy Veins footage; silent tooltips not independently checked.CorgideusMage talents explainedCaption keyword search and sections 1:30–2:50 / 9:40–11:27. Hybrid build recorded as an untested idea; no rank values released.EsfandWarrior reworkSelected captions: Spearing Strike, regeneration, Protection talents, Thunder Clap and cooldowns. Edited from the same stream; no independent tooltip verification.MMARKERSDruid build discussionSelected captions: other players’ bleeds, healing scaling and Eclipse mana efficiency as open questions. No tested rotation.SodapoppinRogue reworkSelected captions: Blind duel commentary, Venom and Thousand Cuts. Aura type, cleansing and rank values not independently tested.SodapoppinPriest deep diveSelected caption passages on race-specific spells and Penance. Night Elf commentary recorded; availability for all races unconfirmed.SEANOWarlock first lookSelected caption passages; specialization opinion and open Soul Shard questions.MMARKERSPaladin / ShockadinSelected caption passages; build prediction, not measured PvP performance.World of WarcraftHardcore panelForever sections: world refresh, transfers and Legacy. Not a full video review.GameSpotBlizzard developer interviewAutomatic captions read; class roles and faction choice incorporated.EsfandShaman talent rundownSpoken explanations reviewed; Ghost Wolf tooltip visually checked at 6:17. Other silent tooltips remain open.CajatoWarrior analysisSelected caption passages; calculator analysis is not independent client confirmation.GuzuForever impressionsSelected caption passages; Frost impression treated as group opinion.Lvladen PvPPaladin build predictionsMetadata only. English captions unavailable; content not analyzed.
Earlier research: 22 videos and caption gaps
EsfandBlizzCon Day 1Captions processed; not a complete visual reviewEsfandRelease reactionCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewEsfandReveal reactionCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewEsfandPaladin demo editCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewSavixBlizzCon full streamCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewXaryuDungeon first lookCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewXaryuPlaying ForeverCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewWorld of WarcraftOfficial panelCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewCountdownTalent tree analysisCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewBenjamin HoskinsRacial analysisCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewSodapoppinForever reactionCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewDefcamp & Melderon TVForever impressionsCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewPhilpseyForcePanel reactionCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewThraun GamingForever recapCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewBootyBay StammtischPodcast 23Captions processed; not a complete visual reviewBootyBay StammtischBlizzCon LIVECaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewCraft12354Forever recapCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewFentsyForever reactionCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewMehr SieglindeRoadmap recapCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewBigbillygamesShaman demo dungeonNo retrievable transcript · not analyzedAhmpyOpening ceremonyNo retrievable transcript · not analyzedMuchamielBlizzCon livestreamNo retrievable transcript · not analyzed